whats a say
kia ora hone
spoken like a true ex-principal, what else is there, I ask you?
I/we can wax lyrical and get overly rhetorical about these things but at the end of the day it is just polemic. hey but they say that the polemicists are the philosophers and the inspirers of a time and at the time of high alert you know just before the attack begins the rhetoricists get much more vocal and vigorous in their "how to attain freedom" rhetoric. these are the things that make people who were for centuries before that the quietest, meekest peoples suddenly become the raging beasts of destruction and war that we all become when we are backed into a corner. hone is this that time, is it now, is that what our people can look forward to is this the time?
as to who follows whom thats what sheep do Iwi are not like that they make their own mind up, they will do what they want to do regardless of what you say or what I say. their abandoning the maori role in favour of the general seats must have taken some by surprise, but what we told you's last year was right on the nose. the maori seats are pointless and irrelevant they like this form of governemnt should be got rid of and or changed. in many ways the maori party has bolstered this westminster parliament making it difficult for those iwi who want the pakeha gone to achieve that goal, hence the campaign to reverse the maori parties pull, which you's were not able to anticipate has been successful. see mate thats the problem with democracy it is designed for the elites designed for for the rich it is no different to monarchical feudalism, which I thought we got rid of in 1412. but the internet has changed that, we have been telling our people don't sign up for the maori option, come back to the general seats, at least there we will be able to target one seat with an iwi independence party, choose an electorate where there are a lot of our people and where labour, national and you fella's are close we could get in there and bang we got 1 seat and get this we get 7 list seats, thats 8 people in parliament, see mmp in action. that would be good for iwi and we would help bolster your party as long as we agree to what you do. the people have seen how the iwi seats are treated and are probably pissed off with the party because no one else can see it's marginalisation, maybe there's too much of that cult of personality goin on in there who knows.
to delete parts of the treaty from some of the bills and legislation is possible but I doubt if there is any hope of them deleting it completely oh but they will give it a go. nevertheless, we will all be there in waitangi complaining as loudly as a possible at this another breach of our rights by this alien crown. as far as the maori party goes it was the concentration on the treaty that assisted them to get in there, hello then they go and pull the non-ratification of the declaration of indigenous peoples on us now this, without a sound from the m party blah......blah.......
g karenaHone Harawira wrote:
Lets make it easy Geoff. You start the campaign, and let's see who's dumb enough to follow.-----
Original Message-----From: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com]OnBehalf Of Geoffrey KarenaSent: Thursday, 3 August 2006 10:52 a.m.To: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com; roydon.rodgers@xtra.co.nzSubject: RE: [tai-tokerau]
FW: Release:
Treaty of Waitangi Deleted fromSchool Curriculum
yeah too good alright
we can even get furtherly rhetorical about what we should do,
how about we wipe the fuckers (pakeha that is) out
or kick the wankers out
scare them ou
tor we could:
refuse to fuck them
refuse to father and mother their kids
refuse to look after their elderly
murder them in their sleep
home invade them
refuse to clean their toilets
refuse to wipe their asses
or we could
refuse on masse to speak their language
refuse to take part in their court system
refuse to eat their high in carbohydrate food
refuse to accept their brainwash education
refuse to attend their kohanga, kura kaupapa and wananga
haa
down with the treaty I say this has held these baldyheads here for too long and as we see helen clark let the maori party in we knew it was a sideissue to the real matter which was the deletion of the treaty of waitangi. the efn baldyheads are already doing exploritory investiigations of the seas around aotearoa looking for natural gases, oil etc., they have found gold, silver, and a wealth of other natuaral resources worth in excess of trillions of dollars over the next thirty years, the treaty allows them to do this, down with it and all that goes with it. we do not need them nor do we need the baldyheads.
g karena
Hone Harawira <hone.harawira@parliament.govt.nz> wrote:too good mike-----Original Message-----From: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com]OnBehalf Of Mike SmithSent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 06:04 p.m.To: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [tai-tokerau] FW: Release: Treaty of Waitangi Deleted fromSchool CurriculumHi Catherine
Well exactly,Here's some options off the top of me head
1. Do nothing (probably the option chosen by many)
2. Think ""you bastards" in your head and then do nothing
3. Think "you bastards" and tell someone else what you think
4. Think "you bastards" and enroll your kids at a Kura Kaupapa Maori
5. Think "you bastards" and wait until the next election roles around and vote for the Maori party
6. Think "you bastards" and organise an opposition group in your area
7. Think "you bastards" and complain to the Waitangi Tribunal
8. Think "you bastards" and engage in some form of organised mass civil disobedience
9. Think "you bastards" and complain to an international forum
Which of these options do you think has the most chance of success ?
What are the other options?
Sorry of this sounds facetious Catherine But I'm struggling with a sense of hopelessness about viable strategies in the face of this across the bored hostility to Maori rights. And that's not a healthy place for Mikey-boy to be. What's apparent is that Labour is hollowing out the anti treaty ground that the National party likes to stand on, it undermines all the hard work that's been done over the years in raising the profile of TOW. However be of good cheer Miss Catherine .... ahakoa te mahi kuare o te kawanatanga ki a tatou , kei konei tonu matou ake ake ake !MikeOn 02/08/2006,
at 8:45 AM, Catherine Davis wrote:> What's to be done about this?!!!!>>>> Sure, we know the Government's arrogant and has acted in bad faith on > so> many things to do with Mâori rights, but to be so arrogant as to do> something like this now? When just a month ago the United Nations > Human> Rights Council voted in favour of a Draft Declaration on the Rights of> Indigenous Peoples - and this is how the Government responds? Retract,> retract RETRACT!>>>> Oh well, more to add to our WAI 262 evidence about Crown breaching > their> Treaty obligation to act good faith towards its Treaty partner.>>>> And yet in this morning's New Zealand Herald the front page talked > about the> Government thinking it was a good idea to introduce Spanish and (some > other> foreign language) into the classrooms. Good idea - but what about > making> the reo compulsory first and maintaining quality teaching about the > Treaty> in the curriculum!!!>>>> Catherine>>>> _____>> From: Helen Leahy [mailto:Helen.Leahy@parliament.govt.nz]> Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2006 3:56 p.m.> Subject: Release: Treaty of Waitangi Deleted from School Curriculum>>>>>> mAORI PARTY REVEALS THAT THE Treaty of Waitangi IS Already Deleted From> Education>> Is this cultural Genocide by Omission?>> Te Ururoa Flavell, Education Spokesperson for Maori Party>> Tuesday 1 August 2006>> "It is an utter outrage that the new draft curriculum for schools has> obliterated the Treaty of Waitangi from the education of New > Zealanders"> stated Te Ururoa Flavell, Education Spokesperson for the Maori Party.>> "I am astounded that this Government has removed Te Tiriti o Waitangi, > which> is the key source of the Government's moral and political claim to> legitimacy, from the New Zealand Curriculum" said Mr Flavell.>> "For the last thirteen years, the education system has been providing> opportunities to learn about Te Tiriti o Waitangi as a key part of the > 'very> best education system for our young people' said Mr Flavell.>> "I have to ask - what is the problem here?">> "A survey commissioned by the State Services Commission, indicated > that 57%> of New Zealanders said that greater knowledge about the Treaty would > help> many New Zealanders have a better understanding of our country and its> history" said Mr Flavell.>> "Another survey found that New Zealanders aged under 30 had higher > levels of> knowledge about the Treaty than other groups. These are all facts > which> confirm the value and the significance of including Te Tiriti o > Waitangi as> part of our education".>> "Is Labour simply trying to win political favours from NZ First, in> pre-empting the deletion of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill?">> "The removal of realities - our constitutional foundation - is clearly > the> creation of the Doctors of Spin employed by the Labour Party to rewrite> history".>> "A search of the new curriculum reveals that the words, Treaty of > Waitangi> (or Tiriti o Waitangi) do not appear in key areas such as>> * principles (The Treaty was previously one of nine key > principles of> the New Zealand Curriculum Framework)>> * in the Social Sciences curriculum, (where learning about New > Zealand> society used to include "an understanding of the Treaty of Waitangi")>> * in the Language and Languages section (where te reo was > previously> referred to as a taonga under the terms of the Treaty of Waitangi").>> "Indeed, the Treaty has been slashed out of all parts of the national> strategy for education, as Labour moves to align itself with National, > and> NZ First".>> "It is a sad reflection on Labour that it has reverted to some of the> behaviours of the 'Rogernomics' era, where it seems that the Market, > now> referred to as the Community, should take responsibility for the moral> integrity and the development of values of Aotearoa as a society".>> "It certainly looks now, that the powerful, whom Labour is increasingly> wooing, will determine the type of society that we have".>> "Labour has lost its moral fibre, if indeed that fibre existed in the > first> place".>> "Even sadder yet, was to hear the Minister of Maori Affairs, Hon > Parekura> Horomia, explain in the House, that 'removing the principles' of the > Treaty> of Waitangi from the curriculum would "enhance the principles" > concluded Mr> Flavell.>> "Does that make sense to you - because it sure doesn't to me!" he > ended.>> Background>> New Zealand Curriculum Framework, 1993>> The New Zealand Curriculum recognises the significance of the Treaty of> Waitangi.> The school curriculum will recognise and value the unique position of > Mâori> in New Zealand society. All students will have the opportunity to > acquire> some knowledge of Mâori language and culture. Students will also have > the> opportunity to learn through te reo and nga tikanga Mâori. The school> curriculum will acknowledge the importance to all New Zealanders of > both> Mâori and Pakeha traditions, histories, and values.>> Helen Leahy>
spoken like a true ex-principal, what else is there, I ask you?
I/we can wax lyrical and get overly rhetorical about these things but at the end of the day it is just polemic. hey but they say that the polemicists are the philosophers and the inspirers of a time and at the time of high alert you know just before the attack begins the rhetoricists get much more vocal and vigorous in their "how to attain freedom" rhetoric. these are the things that make people who were for centuries before that the quietest, meekest peoples suddenly become the raging beasts of destruction and war that we all become when we are backed into a corner. hone is this that time, is it now, is that what our people can look forward to is this the time?
as to who follows whom thats what sheep do Iwi are not like that they make their own mind up, they will do what they want to do regardless of what you say or what I say. their abandoning the maori role in favour of the general seats must have taken some by surprise, but what we told you's last year was right on the nose. the maori seats are pointless and irrelevant they like this form of governemnt should be got rid of and or changed. in many ways the maori party has bolstered this westminster parliament making it difficult for those iwi who want the pakeha gone to achieve that goal, hence the campaign to reverse the maori parties pull, which you's were not able to anticipate has been successful. see mate thats the problem with democracy it is designed for the elites designed for for the rich it is no different to monarchical feudalism, which I thought we got rid of in 1412. but the internet has changed that, we have been telling our people don't sign up for the maori option, come back to the general seats, at least there we will be able to target one seat with an iwi independence party, choose an electorate where there are a lot of our people and where labour, national and you fella's are close we could get in there and bang we got 1 seat and get this we get 7 list seats, thats 8 people in parliament, see mmp in action. that would be good for iwi and we would help bolster your party as long as we agree to what you do. the people have seen how the iwi seats are treated and are probably pissed off with the party because no one else can see it's marginalisation, maybe there's too much of that cult of personality goin on in there who knows.
to delete parts of the treaty from some of the bills and legislation is possible but I doubt if there is any hope of them deleting it completely oh but they will give it a go. nevertheless, we will all be there in waitangi complaining as loudly as a possible at this another breach of our rights by this alien crown. as far as the maori party goes it was the concentration on the treaty that assisted them to get in there, hello then they go and pull the non-ratification of the declaration of indigenous peoples on us now this, without a sound from the m party blah......blah.......
g karenaHone Harawira
Lets make it easy Geoff. You start the campaign, and let's see who's dumb enough to follow.-----
Original Message-----From: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com]OnBehalf Of Geoffrey KarenaSent: Thursday, 3 August 2006 10:52 a.m.To: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com; roydon.rodgers@xtra.co.nzSubject: RE: [tai-tokerau]
FW: Release:
Treaty of Waitangi Deleted fromSchool Curriculum
yeah too good alright
we can even get furtherly rhetorical about what we should do,
how about we wipe the fuckers (pakeha that is) out
or kick the wankers out
scare them ou
tor we could:
refuse to fuck them
refuse to father and mother their kids
refuse to look after their elderly
murder them in their sleep
home invade them
refuse to clean their toilets
refuse to wipe their asses
or we could
refuse on masse to speak their language
refuse to take part in their court system
refuse to eat their high in carbohydrate food
refuse to accept their brainwash education
refuse to attend their kohanga, kura kaupapa and wananga
haa
down with the treaty I say this has held these baldyheads here for too long and as we see helen clark let the maori party in we knew it was a sideissue to the real matter which was the deletion of the treaty of waitangi. the efn baldyheads are already doing exploritory investiigations of the seas around aotearoa looking for natural gases, oil etc., they have found gold, silver, and a wealth of other natuaral resources worth in excess of trillions of dollars over the next thirty years, the treaty allows them to do this, down with it and all that goes with it. we do not need them nor do we need the baldyheads.
g karena
Hone Harawira <hone.harawira@parliament.govt.nz> wrote:too good mike-----Original Message-----From: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.com]OnBehalf Of Mike SmithSent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 06:04 p.m.To: tai-tokerau@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [tai-tokerau] FW: Release: Treaty of Waitangi Deleted fromSchool CurriculumHi Catherine
Well exactly,Here's some options off the top of me head
1. Do nothing (probably the option chosen by many)
2. Think ""you bastards" in your head and then do nothing
3. Think "you bastards" and tell someone else what you think
4. Think "you bastards" and enroll your kids at a Kura Kaupapa Maori
5. Think "you bastards" and wait until the next election roles around and vote for the Maori party
6. Think "you bastards" and organise an opposition group in your area
7. Think "you bastards" and complain to the Waitangi Tribunal
8. Think "you bastards" and engage in some form of organised mass civil disobedience
9. Think "you bastards" and complain to an international forum
Which of these options do you think has the most chance of success ?
What are the other options?
Sorry of this sounds facetious Catherine But I'm struggling with a sense of hopelessness about viable strategies in the face of this across the bored hostility to Maori rights. And that's not a healthy place for Mikey-boy to be. What's apparent is that Labour is hollowing out the anti treaty ground that the National party likes to stand on, it undermines all the hard work that's been done over the years in raising the profile of TOW. However be of good cheer Miss Catherine .... ahakoa te mahi kuare o te kawanatanga ki a tatou , kei konei tonu matou ake ake ake !MikeOn 02/08/2006,
at 8:45 AM, Catherine Davis wrote:> What's to be done about this?!!!!>>>> Sure, we know the Government's arrogant and has acted in bad faith on > so> many things to do with Mâori rights, but to be so arrogant as to do> something like this now? When just a month ago the United Nations > Human> Rights Council voted in favour of a Draft Declaration on the Rights of> Indigenous Peoples - and this is how the Government responds? Retract,> retract RETRACT!>>>> Oh well, more to add to our WAI 262 evidence about Crown breaching > their> Treaty obligation to act good faith towards its Treaty partner.>>>> And yet in this morning's New Zealand Herald the front page talked > about the> Government thinking it was a good idea to introduce Spanish and (some > other> foreign language) into the classrooms. Good idea - but what about > making> the reo compulsory first and maintaining quality teaching about the > Treaty> in the curriculum!!!>>>> Catherine>>>> _____>> From: Helen Leahy [mailto:Helen.Leahy@parliament.govt.nz]> Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2006 3:56 p.m.> Subject: Release: Treaty of Waitangi Deleted from School Curriculum>>>>>> mAORI PARTY REVEALS THAT THE Treaty of Waitangi IS Already Deleted From> Education>> Is this cultural Genocide by Omission?>> Te Ururoa Flavell, Education Spokesperson for Maori Party>> Tuesday 1 August 2006>> "It is an utter outrage that the new draft curriculum for schools has> obliterated the Treaty of Waitangi from the education of New > Zealanders"> stated Te Ururoa Flavell, Education Spokesperson for the Maori Party.>> "I am astounded that this Government has removed Te Tiriti o Waitangi, > which> is the key source of the Government's moral and political claim to> legitimacy, from the New Zealand Curriculum" said Mr Flavell.>> "For the last thirteen years, the education system has been providing> opportunities to learn about Te Tiriti o Waitangi as a key part of the > 'very> best education system for our young people' said Mr Flavell.>> "I have to ask - what is the problem here?">> "A survey commissioned by the State Services Commission, indicated > that 57%> of New Zealanders said that greater knowledge about the Treaty would > help> many New Zealanders have a better understanding of our country and its> history" said Mr Flavell.>> "Another survey found that New Zealanders aged under 30 had higher > levels of> knowledge about the Treaty than other groups. These are all facts > which> confirm the value and the significance of including Te Tiriti o > Waitangi as> part of our education".>> "Is Labour simply trying to win political favours from NZ First, in> pre-empting the deletion of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill?">> "The removal of realities - our constitutional foundation - is clearly > the> creation of the Doctors of Spin employed by the Labour Party to rewrite> history".>> "A search of the new curriculum reveals that the words, Treaty of > Waitangi> (or Tiriti o Waitangi) do not appear in key areas such as>> * principles (The Treaty was previously one of nine key > principles of> the New Zealand Curriculum Framework)>> * in the Social Sciences curriculum, (where learning about New > Zealand> society used to include "an understanding of the Treaty of Waitangi")>> * in the Language and Languages section (where te reo was > previously> referred to as a taonga under the terms of the Treaty of Waitangi").>> "Indeed, the Treaty has been slashed out of all parts of the national> strategy for education, as Labour moves to align itself with National, > and> NZ First".>> "It is a sad reflection on Labour that it has reverted to some of the> behaviours of the 'Rogernomics' era, where it seems that the Market, > now> referred to as the Community, should take responsibility for the moral> integrity and the development of values of Aotearoa as a society".>> "It certainly looks now, that the powerful, whom Labour is increasingly> wooing, will determine the type of society that we have".>> "Labour has lost its moral fibre, if indeed that fibre existed in the > first> place".>> "Even sadder yet, was to hear the Minister of Maori Affairs, Hon > Parekura> Horomia, explain in the House, that 'removing the principles' of the > Treaty> of Waitangi from the curriculum would "enhance the principles" > concluded Mr> Flavell.>> "Does that make sense to you - because it sure doesn't to me!" he > ended.>> Background>> New Zealand Curriculum Framework, 1993>> The New Zealand Curriculum recognises the significance of the Treaty of> Waitangi.> The school curriculum will recognise and value the unique position of > Mâori> in New Zealand society. All students will have the opportunity to > acquire> some knowledge of Mâori language and culture. Students will also have > the> opportunity to learn through te reo and nga tikanga Mâori. The school> curriculum will acknowledge the importance to all New Zealanders of > both> Mâori and Pakeha traditions, histories, and values.>> Helen Leahy>
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